i’ve never read any of those articles you mention about a BR-wretched connection… that sounds just absurd and a bit silly! and i’m quite sure you havent read it on italian ‘zines. wretched were anarchists and against violence (if you check the inserts from their records, besides the (A)’s, you will also see the peace symbol!), while the BR were communists/marxists and definetely PRO-violence! anarchists and communists, at least in italy, have always been completely opposed (except maybe in very few sitautions, like big demonstrations against war or NATO army bases, where both anarchists and communists (but also, say, catholics…) can march together).
a funny note: don’t remember if this was reported by Jumpy Velena or Laura (from RAF punk), but: when the police raided some BR houses, they found some really shitty music (cassettes and records of the worst pop italian singers), while the german police found from the RAF houses GREAT stuff like amon duul II records ah ah! : )
I agree with Leo, and I confirm the story about BR music stuff
Hello, I am not the one stating a valid link to BR, the enemies do. What I say is that there was a strong radical communist movement in that part of Italy. The same is valid for certain part of Sweden, France and UK, etc. It’s was in many cases areas with heavy industries or rural mining area. So there is s link to an environment of radical ideas. The articles (or clips) are from people who try to dis-credit the bands. Many governments do the best to link angry, outspoken but pacifistic to terrorist movements. It’s a way to marginalize them. The bands that we talk about are anti-war and anti-authorities. The enemies however do what they can to discredit anything that threatens the power balance. One way to do so it to link them to BR (in this case). In Sweden we had this debate linked to the animal right movement and the bands supporting (Umeå in the 90’s). It also happened when the EU top meeting was held in Gothenburg in 2001. The police provoked the demonstration and it all ended in a rally and the people open fire to the demonstration. Also here the politicians and the police defended the shooting of protestors saying them being out-law criminals.
I can see from the two comments above that my writing has been unclear and misunderstood. I hope this text clarify things.
hey Editor! my note wasnt against you, of course! : ) and it was clear for me that you have just “mentioned” those articles, and that isnt your point of view… i’ve just said that 1) i wasnt aware of those articles/never read them, and 2) that the situation was VERY different, but indeed you seem to know already, since you wrote also “I believe the truth is rather that the first wave of hardcore bands had a deeper connection with the historical anarchistic formations and trends in Italy”, which is true. the italian communist party (PCI) was very strong back them, as well as other communist/marxist oriented groups, including the BR. but yeah, anarchists and punx were just something ELSE. cheers!
oh and i have this one too for trade or sale, all 3 inserts included, very beautiful sleeve, can send pics of course.
I will mail You!
you have my email, right?
A coupla corrections: 1) the first Italian HC rec is most probably the “700 Fascists” 7″ ep by C.C.M., released in 1981 2) Wretched were formed in October 1981. I don’t know about the BR connection, but it sounds pretty unlikely to me.
Thanks for the feedback on the first hardcore. Also – about the BR connection. I did not mean the band in specific, I was refering to other articles and writes basically the same as you do. It’s a stereotyped connected even if it would be idiology.
i’ve never read any of those articles you mention about a BR-wretched connection… that sounds just absurd and a bit silly! and i’m quite sure you havent read it on italian ‘zines. wretched were anarchists and against violence (if you check the inserts from their records, besides the (A)’s, you will also see the peace symbol!), while the BR were communists/marxists and definetely PRO-violence! anarchists and communists, at least in italy, have always been completely opposed (except maybe in very few sitautions, like big demonstrations against war or NATO army bases, where both anarchists and communists (but also, say, catholics…) can march together).
a funny note: don’t remember if this was reported by Jumpy Velena or Laura (from RAF punk), but: when the police raided some BR houses, they found some really shitty music (cassettes and records of the worst pop italian singers), while the german police found from the RAF houses GREAT stuff like amon duul II records ah ah! : )
I agree with Leo, and I confirm the story about BR music stuff
Hello, I am not the one stating a valid link to BR, the enemies do. What I say is that there was a strong radical communist movement in that part of Italy. The same is valid for certain part of Sweden, France and UK, etc. It’s was in many cases areas with heavy industries or rural mining area. So there is s link to an environment of radical ideas. The articles (or clips) are from people who try to dis-credit the bands. Many governments do the best to link angry, outspoken but pacifistic to terrorist movements. It’s a way to marginalize them. The bands that we talk about are anti-war and anti-authorities. The enemies however do what they can to discredit anything that threatens the power balance. One way to do so it to link them to BR (in this case). In Sweden we had this debate linked to the animal right movement and the bands supporting (Umeå in the 90’s). It also happened when the EU top meeting was held in Gothenburg in 2001. The police provoked the demonstration and it all ended in a rally and the people open fire to the demonstration. Also here the politicians and the police defended the shooting of protestors saying them being out-law criminals.
I can see from the two comments above that my writing has been unclear and misunderstood. I hope this text clarify things.
hey Editor! my note wasnt against you, of course! : ) and it was clear for me that you have just “mentioned” those articles, and that isnt your point of view… i’ve just said that 1) i wasnt aware of those articles/never read them, and 2) that the situation was VERY different, but indeed you seem to know already, since you wrote also “I believe the truth is rather that the first wave of hardcore bands had a deeper connection with the historical anarchistic formations and trends in Italy”, which is true. the italian communist party (PCI) was very strong back them, as well as other communist/marxist oriented groups, including the BR. but yeah, anarchists and punx were just something ELSE. cheers!
oh and i have this one too for trade or sale, all 3 inserts included, very beautiful sleeve, can send pics of course.
I will mail You!
you have my email, right?
A coupla corrections: 1) the first Italian HC rec is most probably the “700 Fascists” 7″ ep by C.C.M., released in 1981 2) Wretched were formed in October 1981. I don’t know about the BR connection, but it sounds pretty unlikely to me.
Thanks for the feedback on the first hardcore. Also – about the BR connection. I did not mean the band in specific, I was refering to other articles and writes basically the same as you do. It’s a stereotyped connected even if it would be idiology.